Curse

Laibeus Lord · Apr 24, 2006, 04:08 AM // 04:08

and this sounds familiar

heard it countless of times..

*coughEAiseviLcough*

every company customers do not like becomes some sort of an evil incarnate... :/
wth.

Ninetail Trickster · Apr 24, 2006, 04:13 AM // 04:13

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Originally Posted by calamitykell

I love you SisterMercy. You said what I want to say a million times, without getting your post deleted (like mine always do, just because I refuse to tolerate idiocy.)

I agree 1,000,000,000% on everything you said and wish people could try to get some perspective and think about the situation outside of "how does this affect ME?"

I tip my hat to you for bringing it to the attention of GWGuru and it's users (not that it'll mean much

)

You're right up there with Kakumei now.

I've been trying to stalk and quote you since the rollback. >_<;;

And I agree entirely. If you want to hate Arena Net for making money, turn off your PC (Microsoft and all), knock out your own power (Can't have the power companies leeching), and don't go to any stores ever (Like, starve). Because if you don't, omg, someone might use a good business move to make money off of something that benefits you and create a win-on-all-sides situation.

A.NET FTW!

dgb · Apr 24, 2006, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by SisterMercy

Fact: it may be tactically (from a security standpoint) and architecturally (from a software one) impossible to merge GW:P accounts. The situation was probably previously unforseen (especially that it would be so widespread), or the developers would have given themselves some options for this in the beginning. It's unfortunate, but it looks like all they can do now is offer the slots as a way of keeping the problem from becoming more widespread.

"Fact: it may be"???

Either it's a fact or don't put it as a fact. Make up your mind - if it's a maybe then it's not a fact.

jackie · Apr 24, 2006, 04:23 AM // 04:23

When there is no subscription fee in the game some players might get adjusted to All-Free-Please state.

Muse of Shadows · Apr 24, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

I have posted before on this subject, and will try to make my opinion clear here.

1) ArenaNet is not a greedy evil empire
2) Guild Wars is a good game, a good value, and I enjoy it
3) I have nothing rong with the people who made Guild Wars
4) I DO have problems with those making decisions in ArenaNet/NCSoft, as those decesions often come from atempting to please those who complain rather than a thought out proccess of how to make the game better while harming/pissing off as few people as possable.

If the problem with merging accounts is a technical issue, then they did a horable job at setting up their database from the start - it should not be much more difficult than moving data from one location to another.

If the problem with merging accounts is with security, then they have simply not thought the proccess through - there are several easy methods of enshuring cracked/hacked accounts dont dissapear, one being sending a confermation email to both the accounts listed, and if that is not enough, request the cd-keys for each account. If they think hackers would have an easier time getting in during a merge, I honestly dont see how it would make it easier - hackers will always be working on breaking in to secure servers/computers/datafiles, and simply moving such data files wont make doing so easyer.

If those making decisions at ArenaNet dont start thuroughly thinking through their decisions before finalizing/announcing them, I would recomend they find another profession more suited to their skills.

Here is what I would like to see from them in regards to this issue:
1) A solution for merging accounts for those of us that, instead of complaining, supported their company by purchasing multiple copies of the game for additional character slots.
OR
2) Renouncing the idea of selling character slots, and going back to the way it used to be - you can still purchase additional character slots, it simply comes in the form of a second account.

Ninetail Trickster · Apr 24, 2006, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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Originally Posted by dgb

"Fact: it may be"???

Either it's a fact or don't put it as a fact. Make up your mind - if it's a maybe then it's not a fact.

Fact: It may be that a meteorite will crash through my roof in five and a half minutes, missing my head by inches, destroying my house but making me a few hundred-k American richer because it hit my property.

Possibilities can be facts, too.

Ken Dei · Apr 24, 2006, 04:27 AM // 04:27

All hail A.Net the BEST game company out there.

EternalTempest · Apr 24, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

Great Post Sister

What I find odd is how the slot purchase is something they added to the game as an additional option. They did not take anything away, just gave another route and some people go nuts on how a "new" added on things was implement despite the existing game plays is exactly as it was before they were upset.

This feature has been requested time and time again by us and now that we get it...

Wrath Of Dragons · Apr 24, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

Ah! someone who isnt whining about anets business scheme! and who makes sence in the process. props to you, SisterMercy

eSe · Apr 24, 2006, 04:33 AM // 04:33

anet's doin a good job and im not mad at them for what they doing they deserve more

twicky_kid · Apr 24, 2006, 04:47 AM // 04:47

This is very true. Businesses that do not turn their profits will sell out before it completely tanks.

I see it everyday working at a corperate job. Bigger companies have began swallowing up everything in site. Since the recent econemy changes and 9/11 in america small businesses are closing left and right. The media and white house can say what they want but the gap between poor and rich is becoming even greater. Big companies lock the little guys out that want innovation.

Anet is hardly making a profit on this game from the rest of the world. Really its the Koreans that have the monthly fee. If anything they are keeping the bandwidth cost in check for them but I dought it.

GW is a flagship for Anet and Ncsoft's other games. They hook you with a very good game that is free to get you to buy into a "brand" product in their other games which do charge monthly fees. They are very smart people but money doesn't always corrupt a company. Its the stock holders that usually ruin companies. They make no mangerial desicions and choose the best time to sell it off. Its kind of like the real estate market. You find a run down house. Invest some money into it and get it back on its feet. Start the media machine to generate a buzz then sell it off for more than you bought it.

Honestly I think if Anet had thought about the buying slots eariler and had it from release it would have been a great addition for the game. This hurts NO ONE in any way so I don't see why people are complaining. They could have just ignored our pleas and said shut up and play the game. I'm happy that they listen to their players and make adjustments based on OUR suggestions. In no other game have I felt like I can make a difference in a game by my suggestions.

I'm very happy Ensign mentioned the MGL was at the GWWC. Again my voice has been heard and was responded to. Either my suggestions to DTV or the post here on guru was noticed by the Devs. I made an effort to make changes in the game and make my voice heard.

Go Anet. If I had some extra cash I'd be buying stock right now.

Sunai · Apr 24, 2006, 04:51 AM // 04:51

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Originally Posted by izzabo

And most are just estatic to be able to pay extra for what they should recieve to begin with, something definately wrong with that logic.

The only logic gone awry here is that you think you deserve it. I think I deserve flying pigs in the sky over LA, but it doesn't mean it should have been in the game to begin with.

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Originally Posted by izzabo

LoL so they may not sell their 3 million goal, they will make it off of virtual goods or RL money, and is that not against the EULA , but it is alright since it is ANet selling them?

Of course it is. Read the EULA again. Namely section 1.b.

Also, you should reread section 7 where it mentions selling copyrighted material. It repeatedly says "You agree to ...". As in, you. The player. ArenaNet can do whatever it wants.

This is the same for every user agreement, so you should get used to it.

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Originally Posted by izzabo

Perhaps myself and many are missing the point by not being GRATEFUL, then again perhaps not, this is a GAME you are wiling to comprimise your RL money and values over.

First part was correct.

Second part, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're saying that because you compromise money and values in order to play Guild Wars, it should fulfill your every desire? And if the game doesn't have something you want, then that means it should have been there to begin with? Sorry, who are you?

If you're not happy with Guild Wars, continue your search.

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Originally Posted by izzabo

Would be the same as purchaseing a writeing tablet, and then have to buy the paper that goes in seperately, most would have a real issue with that but not with being SOLD what you should get in the game you buy!

Err, buying a writing tablet that doesn't have paper is equivalent to buying a RPG game that has a character limit?

That's rediculous, because when you bought that tablet you couldn't do what a writing tablet was meant to do[*]. What about the game? It comes with character slots! You can do everything you were meant to do with it, except there's a limit on how many characters you can have at one time. Guess what! You can only fit so much paper in a tablet!

[*]Should have looked at what you were buying first.

Ken Dei · Apr 24, 2006, 05:17 AM // 05:17

*Taps chin* Stock...I have some spare money laying around....

Stabber · Apr 24, 2006, 05:18 AM // 05:18

[EvIL] is an empire now?! And they have taken over Anet?!!

I mean, they are good, no question, but an empire? I guess some people aren't satisfied with just having gold-bordered capes and unique shields.

twicky_kid · Apr 24, 2006, 05:19 AM // 05:19

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Originally Posted by Stabber

[EvIL] is an empire now?! And they have taken over Anet?!!

I mean, they are good, no question, but an empire? I guess some people aren't satisfied with just having gold-bordered capes and unique shields.

I think you missed the point of this thread. Its nothing to with EViL the guild.

Stolen Souls · Apr 24, 2006, 05:23 AM // 05:23

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Originally Posted by Stabber

[EvIL] is an empire now?! And they have taken over Anet?!!

I mean, they are good, no question, but an empire? I guess some people aren't satisfied with just having gold-bordered capes and unique shields.

We must revolt!! We must make a stand, and bring down this [EvIL] Empire! For we must not allow them to abuse their power any longer! We will bring the fight to them!!

Ahem...

...but seriously though...I pretty much agree 100% with the OP...

dreamhunk · Apr 24, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by The Fox

I hope they sell a zillion slots so they get lots of money and can continue to make more chapters! Go A-Net!

I don't think anet is evil business. What anet is doing it is making is a new. anet is still a business however they have to work within their means. If Anet improves on on the game and work out the rpg. It will be the hotest thing selling. Think about it rlike this a comic book that you ae buy all the time. think this way too as well the game is like D&D books one buys and plays all the time. Instead of just like this idea I posted slots anet should sell add ons for. style of game. gw.http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3015734

Anet has to pay for bills, and we the fans need to support gw not everything is going to be free all the time in lifeshould in. If we all let anet know what we want gw will be around for a long time. If they the rpg was better and wasnot so much pvp focused you would see out beating wow right now.

strcpy · Apr 24, 2006, 06:18 AM // 06:18

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Originally Posted by izzabo

Would be the same as purchaseing a writeing tablet, and then have to buy the paper that goes in seperately, most would have a real issue with that but not with being SOLD what you should get in the game you buy!

Hmm, isn't it more like puarchasing a writing tablet, writing in all the pages, and purchasing more paper to put in it? That's pretty stadard where I come from. I don't know of any writing tablets that give you lifetime free paper once you purchase them.

I don't really see the argument here - "Four slots for 50 dolalrs and no more options" == GREAT, "Four slots for 50 dollars plus additional slots for 10 dollars" == the SUXORS and they are ripping us off. Umm, nothing changed from the great deal you were getting before, if the 10 dollar thing is a rip-off, don't buy it. It's not like it is unbalancing or anything. You could always go spend 50 dollars for an online game, 20-30 dollars for each expansion you need, and 15 dollars a month for four to six slots. If you consider that a better deal, well, not much I can say after that - it sorta speaks for itself.

Eh, every decision a company with this many customers make will make some unhappy, even make some very angry. I've worked on some fairly large software project and it's amusing the e-mails you get and what makes some people mad. Generally they are either kids and have no earthly idea how the works and earthly idea of how money is made (most will get angry about this statement - they *know* it know just fine - by about 25 or so the vast majority will look back and cringe) or people who will never rise above lower management if they even make it to that point.

In the end this will popular and used quite a bit. I can understand wanting to merge accounts (the only legitimate gripe, but that doesn't invalidate the 10 dollars for extra slots idea) but we have no idea how much that would cost anet to do or if it is even possible without signifigant code re-writes.

EternalTempest · Apr 24, 2006, 06:30 AM // 06:30

Anet has stressed and demonstarted to me that they are serious about creating a game that is skill > grind.

If they start having "paid" add-ons they be nice but I can't see them giving them an huge advantage over someone that does not have it say x paid add-on.

Some examples that people pay more money for then someone who just buys the retail version of gw and plays.

C1 pre-order items, they were "mid-range" weapons or only had specific uses.

The "rebundled" C1 to come out has nice max stat pre-order items.. but there the same that they already gave asia in there pre-orders and you can get nice collector items or greens to be about equal vaule.

The CE editions have given you "divine glow" and "back dancers"... all emote based.

If they give more items that is proven people why buy to get that give them more money yet does not unbalance the game, they stay true to skill > grind and gives them more money.

Also want to talk about other MMORPH's try playing FFXI for 2 years then play GW.

strcpy · Apr 24, 2006, 06:33 AM // 06:33

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Originally Posted by Muse of Shadows

If the problem with merging accounts is a technical issue, then they did a horable job at setting up their database from the start - it should not be much more difficult than moving data from one location to another.

Curious as to how many large databases you have tried to do such a thing? Especially mission critical ones. Not to mention automating the process from user requests to the actual merging in a secure manner.

I'm betting not to many, or you are one heck of a DBA/programmer and not getting payed anywhere close to what you should be (I can say that not even knowing what you are payed, I know it's too little or you would be one of the famous people in the tech industry).

It's possible, but not easy to do. Especially given that there is no money to made, pure cost, I will also generally assume you are (at best) purely technical and know very little about the business end of things.

I bet it's also really easy to write a program that looks at any other program and determins if it stop or runs forever - right (I mean, all you gotta do is run the thing and see if it stops or not)? If you can do that then I *know* you aren't payed enough, no one on the planet is. Though it sounds really simple when written in a single sentance it is impossible to do (if you can solve it, bend you mind to the proving p=np problem - it's at least considered possible).